Cape Town was pretty interesting because in Cape Town was an old city, very different from Durban or Johannesburg, and there one met artists and writers and so on and I was interested in all these things.
[Q] Where did you meet Liebe?
And there I met my wife, my future wife, and she... she was then... she had... she was at the College of Music attached to the university but she had decided that she wanted to become a modern dancer. And there was a woman who'd started a group for a kind of contemporary dance group and Liebe joined her, so I met her there. And, in fact, on the basis of the scholarship I got to Cambridge. We got married very young and we came to England together. And I'd to go to Cambridge and she thought she was going to go to the... the Joos-Leeder, which was a German dance school. She had been... left Germany in the Hitler period and... and during the war and been evacuated to Cambridge and they lived in the... worked in the House of the Roughtons, very interesting figure in Cambridge. And Mrs Roughton was a kind of patron of all sorts of unusual things and so she housed them. But when we arrived there the Joos-Leeder School had moved to London, so it was...
[Q] James connection with Bragg that sort of pointed you towards...
Yes, James, James, that's right, yes, that's right.
[Q] You didn't write up your PhD?
I never wrote it up, and the... it was because I got involved in other things and I didn't have to at the time. I did start, I have a half... I have a half-written thesis. But I published the two papers on triphenylene and acta crystallographica so I had some real publications by then.