The debates we had at the Royal Society which we asked to... As I said, we were sometimes asked to pronounce on these things. This time we were asked: what was the scientific view? Well, Anne McLaren suggested that you should allow experiments on embryos, and cut off at 14 days because that's when the primitive streak appeared, and that is the first time you have a nervous system, the beginning of a nervous system. So since the biology of the day, since the teachings that meant that nothing before 14 days was anything resembling a... it was a living entity all right, but it didn't have any kind of nervous system, so it couldn't think, it couldn't feel pain, it couldn't do anything of that sort. And I made one small contribution... I was a preferer of Council. I said... now the Royal Society statements were always just typed, and I said, 'Why don't we have a picture?' Never been done before, a picture of the 14-day embryo, and what it is, it looks like a tiny little worm with a line down the middle. And it looks like nothing at all. And so, we actually did a hand drawing, Anne drew it at the end of the paper, and this went to Parliament, to the House of Lords. I think it was an eye-opener to most people who had never done embryology. They really thought... you know, they think there's a little homunculi, they thought that you form a... everything just grows, you see. Well, of course, they should have known better, because even a plant changes with... a plant when it grows, well they've seen that, and of course the farmers and the people with animals would have known this if you have abortions and so on. But the general public didn't know all this.