When I was at the Johns Hopkins, you know, project I had met all sorts of interesting people like John Mauchly. I met... Calvin Mooers came to visit me. I don’t know if you remember Ellen Tornudd was the Director of... the leading librarian in Scandinavia. She’s a real good friend. She’s retired now. So, Ted Herdegen, from Smith, Kline & French, had come down to the project, and he heard that I was in library school and they wanted to set up an IBM punch card system for one of their drugs. He calls me up, and tells me that they, they have an opening, you know, would you like to be... want to come down and work for 6 months to, to set up this system? And, at the time... by then I had... my best friend at the time was somebody I’d met by accident while on vacation in, in Canada, Casimir Borkowski, do you remember that name? Well, Casimir was a very interesting guy, but then the point being that he was working for Léon Dostert at the Georgetown machine translation project from Russian to English, and I was supposed to go to work with them at the project. So, Ted Herdegen called me up and says he’s got, wants to offer me this job as a consultant, and I said, but I’m already committed to go to... I’m going to go to... I’ve got this graduate post doc or whatever you call it... no, not a postdoc, a graduate teach... research assistant at the, the machine translation project. Now, a few days later I get a call from Casimir that the Government cut off their research money and the project was terminated. So, I got hold of Ted Herdegen and I, I was desperate for money by that time, I said, 'I, I’ll come to work for you', and that’s how I, I came to work for Smith Kline. I came down there. I graduated in June of ’54 and I... but while I was at library school was when I first wrote up the idea of the citation index. The paper that I eventually published in Science was written originally as a, as a term paper.