I stayed for a while and I think that's when the war came. And then there was the numbers in the newspaper, and you had a number and you looked in the newspaper and sure enough, you had all those numbers, all the people going tomorrow. And so mine, all of a sudden, I find my numbers and then I had to go downtown, you know? There was a very strange situation going on here because, in the first place, I wore glasses, you know? And the second thing, I had a bad shoulder that gave me trouble. So eventually they decided, these people, that they're not going to take me in the army. No way, not fit with the glasses and with a bad shoulder, you know? I can't move the damn shoulder. But then the office was almost closed. This woman was cleaning the place, I'm the only one in the joint, they don't want to take me but I had to join because all my friends, my God, how would I face them, you know? So they finally, okay, they're going to take me because the Air Force already asked for me because they were looking for animators. So because they know I'm not going to go overseas, they're going to stay put here and so they took me. So that was the big move.

[Q] And so you joined the army?

That's how I became in the Air Force, in the Air Force. Yeah.