[RV] We did do signage in neon in the late 60s, in Grands Restaurant.  It was a renovation, very small job, where we put signage on the walls inside, very big signs, and on the outside we did a sign which was in the form of a cup, a café.  And because of the neighbours’ protests in this neighbourhood, which was not very upper, not at all upper middle class, because of their protests the owners had to remove that cup. We also used in the… in the renovation of a Catholic Church in West Philadelphia, very beautiful church in the Byzantine style, that was the period when the ritual was being changed, or the altar was being moved forward and things of that sort… we accommodated that and then we put – also to help express what we were doing – we put neon, some neon, very gentle touch of neon within the interior.

[DSB] In white, it wasn’t coloured.

[RV] In white, and that also had to be removed after a few months because of the protests of the neighbours.