[DSB] In New Orleans they… they built a city where a city economically needed to be and they had flood plains which they allowed to be used, and they built levees. And they had levees at a certain height. That will stop the water. Well, if planners had actually drawn the section of what they had done and looked at the possibilities, they would have said, ‘Look what could happen’. Now, people did warn that it could happen, but it wasn’t graphic to anyone and I doubt whether it was thought of even a few times by, you know, the kind of people who do development there. Now, you let the poor go live in the flood plain. You find that all over the world, poor people live in the flood plains, it’s dreadful that. Now they have ownership in flood plains and they can’t see that they were oppressed in the first place. And they say, ‘We don’t want to hear about that, you’re not telling the rich people in the flood plain they’re oppressed’.  You’ve got other means of dealing with that. But if the section had been as prominent as the plans in thinking of that city, I think, there could have been more public support for much greater care about the levees, when they were built.