I never thought I would see, there... I never thought I would see the end of the war because, you know, we were always playing poker and at time I thought... you know, how... how lucky can you be? You know, we had that, tremendous losses in... in '44, you know, in the Beachhead invasion. And, so I felt I'm living on borrowed... borrowed time, so every time and... and you know, since they couldn't get any replacements for us because they had a lot of volunteers at Lasham wanting to fly Typhoons or fighters, but nobody volunteered any longer for the rocket Typhoons because we had big losses. So, the Air Ministry decided that... to give us 48 hours off every four weeks, fly our plane to Gatwick or Northolt and have a 48-hour leave. And, very often, on the day we were supposed to fly, you know, back to England we had to do an operation and one became very superstitious because quite a number of us were shot down, or something, crashed, just on the day they were supposed to fly to London, to England. And, so for me it was just a question of time, you know.

[Q] But, now we know the answer to how lucky you can get, very lucky by the sound of it.

Very lucky, yeah, yeah.