My first knowledge of the Wistar Institute occurred with my visits to Dolby's, that I earlier explained, had their facility right next to Pennsylvania, University of Pennsylvania campus, but although I know of its existence, I didn't enter that institute until I learned during my high school days, after it had been whispered around that there was something of interest there, that I decided to make a visit. And what was of interest that had been whispered among the high school kids, was that a collection of human embryonic anomalies, disfigured human embryos, in large jars in formalin probably, that represented very bizarre appearances. Several of the embryos were Cyclops; several had two heads, multiple extremities, multiple fingers, an entire collection of these kinds of bizarre human embryonic pathologies. And of course that was fascinating for young kids in their late teens. And I had gone there several times to see these, prior to my experiences as a student at Pen. And so I knew about that collection and several other interesting anatomical exhibits at the Wistar Institute museum on the first floor. So having that as a background, and now finding myself there as a student, was rather interesting, to say nothing of the laboratory that I had in the animal colony where my thesis was to look at the etiology of middle ear infections in the Wistar rats.