My next step of course was to find a position. Well, Warren Steinbring, my boss at that time, about a year before I left, before I was finished, he decided to accept a job at the University of Texas, in Galveston, Texas, with a world famous cell culturist by the name of Charles Pomerat, who was a pioneer in cell culture. And Warren, because we were... by this time we were to be good friends, not only as a student and teacher, but actually very good friends, he discovered that there was a place for me in that laboratory, and I accepted that opportunity.

My wife and I travelled to Galveston, Texas, found a small apartment there. I believe by this time my wife was pregnant with the first of our five children, and because of various connections with Pen and the University of Texas, I recall that I was given the name of a woman paediatrician who could help with my wife and the newborn. And I arrived at the University of Texas in Galveston, technically I was part of the department of microbiology there, but... and I had a small lab in that department, but I also had a... I had a laboratory, not quite a laboratory, but a shared space I guess is the best way to put it, in the laboratory of Charles Pomerat.