It's important to mention this because it will establish, hopefully, my mind set and the mind set of other people. I had no worry about this; it didn't mean much to me. I was doing what I thought was the right thing. And, in fact, I set up with Frank Perkins here in London a repository for WI-38 in which Frank housed several hundred ampoules of WI-38 that I brought here in a liquid nitrogen container on board aircraft, which is impossible today. The liquid nitrogen vessel in which I brought these cells to London, Moscow and other locations looks like a 500 pound bomb. It's made out of aluminium, double jacketed, shaped like a bomb, and weighs about 15 or 20 kilos maybe when it's full. And it wasn't easy getting that vessel through customs; we had all sorts of tricks for doing it, because to claim that you were importing into the UK living human cells would raise the eyebrows of customs inspectors, which we preferred to... not to see.

So, I will now return to the main theme, hopefully, having convinced listeners and viewers that the mind set was one of helping people, at least my mind set, and not profiting.