I'd written some stories in college that were very poor of course, and… but they didn't have a Jew in them. They didn't have Newark in them. They didn't have anything in them that I know anything about. But I didn't see how I could make literature out of these Jews, you know. And so I… I don't know if I've put it in one sentence, but it occurred to me at a certain point, that I can use the guy next door to us, who was an adulterer, who owned a soda water company, and I wrote a story called Epstein about this guy. And then someone told me a story about a kid tried... threatening the Rabbi to jump off the roof, and so I wrote it. My good friend Arthur Geffen told that to me, and a mate of mine at Chicago, and I said to Arthur, I'll give you five years to write it and if you don't write it, I'll write it. I didn't give him five actually. I wrote this book, the story called The Conversion of the Jews. And now I was beginning… these are not great stories these first stories, but I was hitting my stride, you know. I was… I found that I could use what I knew and I just had to find a way of speaking, I had to find a voice and that you find slowly, with effort.