The... I don't remember the... oh, there's a very, almost pseudo-lyrical description of the... of the threesome having sex in The Humbling. I shouldn't say pseudo-lyrical, I should say quasi-lyrical. I don't remember that very well, but I do know that confronted with... with it, with the situation, the two women and the man, I had to figure out how to write it, and how to capture what was most intriguing for him to witness.

I have a... there's a threesome... this is not my spécialité, but there is a threesome also in Sabbath's Theater which is very funny. And not at all like what I was after in The Humbling. In The Humbling, it's dark and... and unusual... it's unusual. It isn't... it's a very small element in the book. I like the scene before that where they're sitting having dinner at a restaurant and he... he walks over to the bar to do something and he sees this woman sitting by herself getting drunk and he walks back to his table and says to... what's her name, the character? It doesn't matter. He says to his lady-friend – who is a lesbian, he's having an affair with a lesbian. He says, 'I've got something for you' and he walks her over to the bar and holds her around, standing behind her and they... they walk... they look at the woman... young woman he's thinking about for them... for her, and she begins to tremble with the excitement. And I like that detail very much, so I wanted to be extreme and accurate.