The names that we walked into was John Hubley, [Herbert] Herb Klynn, [William] Bill Hurtz and myself. We were the group that around us - because I took care of background, Bill Hurtz took care of the layout, Herb Klynn took care of the whole studio. And the place was owned by [Stephen] Steve Bosustow. Steve Bosustow owned UPA [United Productions of America]. In other words, that means that when UPA came about, he bought more stocks from the previous owners. So Steve Bosustow became the president of UPA. And that was a sad story but we're not gonna dwell on that because we had 15 years of magic. We had the whole damn world at our bag. People from Europe were coming, and all that stuff because they've never seen anything like that in animation, you know? Like what we were putting on the air. But the studio - Universal did not like the stuff. They only wanted Magoos, Mr Magoo, that's the only thing they wanted. But the contract was such that we could do three films a year, anything we wanted to do, anything. So that's where Gerald McBoing Boing, Madeleine, Frankie and Johnny came. But that stopped eventually because the hierarchy of the studio could not take anything, it can only look at the Mr Magoo. I mean, that's Hollywood, that was strictly Hollywood. And Hollywood meantality that only [Mr] Magoo could satisfy their needs. But if you did something like Alvin the Chipmunks - not Alvin and the Chipmunks, but Madeleine and Frankie and Johnny, Unicorn in the Garden, those are masterpieces. And they're still running. And people buying them and running them.