Things were by and large moving well, and then I got into difficulty with Denise. While I was a resident, we had our first child, Paul. I was thrilled. First child a boy, no less. And I continued what I was doing, you know, working many evenings, and some weekends. And Denise after a while got furious. She showed up at the lab carrying Paul and she said, 'Who the hell do you think you are? You're just completely neglecting the two of us', and she screamed at me terribly. And I realized she was right and I, you know, pulled back, you know, acted more reasonably, straightened things out.

And after two years, having essentially completed my residency, I left to work with Ladislav Tauc and began work on Aplysia. And I knew I would come back to Mass Mental Health Center, and Ewalt in the meantime had completely changed his mind about me. After the first several months he actually approached me and offered me space in the Mass Mental Health Center, saying, 'I've spoken to Kuffler and I've spoken to Henneman they think you're a very worthwhile person. I'd like to…' And he gave me a state line. Unbelievable, a resident, a state line. And this had a big impact, not only on me, but I was with a spectacular group of house officers. Tony Kris, Anna's brother, the son of a famous analyst, and who ultimately also became a very good analyst. Ernie Hartmann, also the son of a famous analyst and Paul Wender, [another] outstanding [person]. And they saw that people who did research were treated in a very privileged way, and many of them later went to the NIH, many of them I've [interacted] with. I'm not sure this was the only motivation, but they saw research was valued. And so with that I, you know, headed over to France and spent a wonderful year. Actually, the year was not spent in Paris, much of the year spent in Paris. The Aplysia actually come to Arcachon, which is a marine base like Woods Hole. So we spent two seasons in… The season for Aplysia is September to November. So we spent two seasons in Arcachon, and the year in between in Paris. And in Paris I worked on land snails. And we had a terrific time over there.