After '55, when after seeing at the Living Theatre, the first New York show of Stan Brakhage, his first six films, I... seeing that programme was another point where my life practically changed about cinema, my thinking. So that is cinema that Desistfilm, that's cinema, that's what where cinema is today, and Maya Deren, of course, the mother etc, Maya Deren is past, Maya Deren is the past and this is, this is now. Maya Deren is where cinema, when the American avant-garde, sort of the end of the first stage, and here is where it really begins with, here is where the energy is. So to me, Maya was always the past, not the present, when to many she was the present and, you know, we were friends and she was helpful to me, I was helpful to her and, but she was like a classic, like the past to me, she was never present, after seeing this first programme of Brakhage films. So my friends were already from the past... post- Maya Deren, not there were, you know, still friends of the Maya Deren circle. I never really had real contact. I respected, albeit, Parker Tyler or them for their mind, intelligence and, but they were not my... I was in the new generation and so that's where, you know, my friends became, you know, Ron Rice and Jack Smith and Barbara Rubin and completely different, of course, Robert Frank post-Maya Deren cinema. So, was Maya Deren our mother or was our grandmother, but not mother. Mother is one that begins. She ended a period, a period in which I found myself and felt at home. It was a new period that was began with, I really would say, with Stan Brakhage.