[Q] You had this kind of revelation when you saw the Brakhage films in 1955, but nevertheless you went ahead to decide to make Guns of The Trees which couldn't have been more different from what Brakhage was doing.

You see, there is a difference between what I like and what I support, and what I do and make myself. I consider that all my major films are sort of narratives, narratives. I think that the last film, As I was Moving Ahead... this is a narrative, is a fiction, practical film. The same Lost, Lost, Lost. There is a... it is a maybe, you know, the material is documentary, but there is a novelistic theme like of one dropped in, how you gain in how you go and become willing to change and how you look how your film thinks, I mean in Lost, Lost, Lost. I mean, at the beginning is Paul Strand and the end is completely, the whole history of the, of how the, the American independent from avant-garde its style and techniques that change it is, is in that, but that goes also with my own change. As I said the very end of the, you know, film of Lost, Lost, Lost. I guess I have been here before, now I have memories, it's... it's a film about exile, but also about memory it, it's... there are several layers in that film. So, I'm not, only now as you give if you will have occasion to see there are two or three, two films that will be shown in the New York Film Festival. I'm going already to, I'm leaving the narrative, I mean, that's Quartet No 1 and The Song of Avignon and also The Travel Songs, they're not narratives any more they are, I don't know what they are. But they're more like you know poem, poems film poems, but not narratives and those materials, you know, are again real, from real life and, but with no intention of making a diary or... so I like, was very taken by what Brakhage was doing and that's... it's like to being taken by some poem that you read, so you will never write like he's writing or she's writing, but that did not mean that now I am going to make that kind of film myself. No. That, that helped me to... I mean, to begin to turn to get be less and less interested in... what I was doing, less and less interested in what was happening in Hollywood, and the script of Guns of the Trees, you know... Guns of the Trees, whatever the film is, is already structured completely different. It's a collage, film.