I had a friend at the time who was a... a rep for ICI [Imperial Chemical Industries] in the Western Scotland area, and he said, 'Why don't you write to ICI and see if they'll fund you to do some work on this', because he told me the ICI just moved into fantastic new labs down in Cheshire. They had moved from Trafford Park which was the old ICI Division... Dyestuffs Division. And, so I... I did; I took the advice and wrote in, and I got a site visit, and one of these was a guy called Garnet Davey who we were talking about earlier. I can't remember who the other chap was for the life of me but...

[Q] Al Spinks.

No, no, it wasn't, no.

[Q] Yule Bogue?

No, no, no, it wasn't. No, I don't know who he was because, because Garnet was definitely the senior, he was the leader, and... the upshot of it was they said, 'Look here, this is quite interesting, but it's hard for you to do it here; you've got no chemistry and so on. Why don't you come and work for us?' So that was how I was invited down to this Alderley Park place. I can't tell you what an eye-opener it was. You know, from Buccleuch Street, which was a dump in a... in a very rundown area of Glasgow, here was this place out in the country and big sweeping drive with lights, with little mice, the lights. You remember? And these fantastic new buildings beside the lake and... and the labs were just... Anyway, so I... I just... a dream world for me to be invited to work there. And, it wasn't till I got there that I realised that, in fact, Garnet Davey was subordinate to Alfred Spinks who was the Section Head at that time, I think he was called, but...

[Q] That was about 1958.

That's right, yes. And then, Garnet gets promoted to become Research Manager for the Biological... over Alf Spinks. So... yeah, so this was my first introduction to industrial politics of which you and I have played our part. But Garnet Davey played a... an important part in my life. He gave me the opportunity to do something. And so I was given a young chemist, John Stephenson, and he was a lovely fellow. And, I remember, every morning he would come down with his notebook, structures all over the place; he got excited about what we were trying to do, and I had never really... chemistry; I'd done a little bit at school and a term at university, but chemistry really wasn't something I knew much about, and so this was a whole eye-opener. And so now we're going to make ourselves a beta blocker. Now, here is the important theme which runs out through the rest of what I'm going to be talking about, and that is that what began as an accident, a pure accident, in retrospect I saw it as a principle. Now, the principle may be wrong but that's what we're going to talk about.