Then I had an offer, because there was an interval of a couple of weeks between Cornell and Michigan, and Feynman happened to be driving from Cleveland to Albuquerque and he offered to take me for a ride just to see the country, and the Commonwealth Fund wanted me to do that, and so that was fine. So I took a bus to Cleveland and Feynman picked me up there, and then from Cleveland we drove then all across the country to Albuquerque, which of course in those days was much more an adventure than it is now. It was all country roads and going through small towns and seeing the real life, instead of superhighways. So it was a great ride. We got marooned in a huge rain storm in Oklahoma and spent a night in a more or less brothel in which Feynman managed to get us a room, because, I mean, the whole place was completely crowded with people who were stuck because of the rain, so all the hotels were full. And Feynman found this wonderful place which only cost 50 cents a night! So we spent a very restless night there with the strange noises going on outside.

[Q] It's part of life...

Yes. So I saw a lot. It was a great time. And during the day we took hitchhikers, which in those days were very much part of the scene, so we always had company going on... going across.

[Q] So it was four days of Feynman?

Yes. So Feynman talked about all kinds of things, so I heard about his wife who had died, and about his views about life in general and especially about nuclear bombs. He had very strong views about nuclear bombs and he thought we were all going to get blown up with nuclear bombs. He didn't see much hope that the world would not get destroyed and it was just a question of when. But he was never gloomy, he always just had this very cheerful attitude that, 'Well, it's going to be pretty bad but one way or another we'll come through.'