[RV] People were shocked by Learning from Las Vegas. People were shocked by the book I’ve written recently about the architectural historians, who couldn’t stand Learning from Las Vegas.

[DSB] Just look at the press.

[RV] Couldn’t stand, not Learning from Las Vegas, but looking at… but from Complexity and Contradiction. We got lots of bad reviews in all sorts of elements of the press, so, it’s that way. A lot of the jobs we’ve been up for and we didn’t get it, and some other architect got it and they probably weren’t as good as we are.

[DSB] Some, some… we once heard this definitions… these definitions to do with paranoia: if you’re in the African jungle and you say there are elephants coming through the window you’re not paranoiac, but if you are in a Philadelphia living room and you say there’re elephants coming in the window, good chances are you are paranoiac. Well, someone’s Philadelphia window can be another person’s African jungle and sometimes people don’t realise the jungle we’re living in.

[RV] I have a phrase, if we… if you weren’t paranoid you’d be crazy.