It also turns out that I think now there are other views about science which I think are wrong. I mean... people... if you ask young people today what it is... what it is... what are the rewards of being a scientist. Well, you know, you could get many people today think the rewards are to win a lot of prizes and get a lot of money, perhaps have a piece of a company, and... and get promotion and have grants and have a big group and have all the material things. But nobody thinks... and have publications and have them all in the proper journals and people will fight and scream in order to get their publication into journals, that you know, have somehow got into the... fashionable accolade, you see. But I think that if you were to say, well, isn't the great thing about science that you can actually solve a problem? You can actually take something which is confused, a mess, and not only find a solution but prove it's the right one. Now, I mean, that to me is really what I think drives us, I mean, should drive us. And if there's other things, then I think it ought to be dismissed, you know, and maybe we ought to just put, you know, commercial in front of all the other things; The Journal of Commercial Molecular Biology, or the... The Journal of Commercial Neurobiology, and let people publish there. So I think that... and of course since these institutions are teaching young people... by virtue of the fact that they are working in them, that they are being socially assimilated into them, that's exactly what I think is the bad face of biology.