Disney did incredibly beautiful stuff and well done, but then came UPA, where even the Disney people, the faculty... not the faculty, the people who work at Disney, the top animators, telling Walt, 'Hey, look at UPA, why don't we go that way'? And Walt says, 'No way, that's them'. And at that time he called us the 'long-hairs' because everybody had a little more hair then than usual. He called them the 'long-hairs by the river'. But UPA opened a whole new world. When their faculty... when their people wanted to do UPA at Disney, now you know that you've made an impact, enormous impact on the industry in total, yeah. And of course, you take a man like Ward Kimball, but he tells Walt, 'Hey, over there, look what they're doing, why don't we'? They did one - Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom. Hey, isn't that incredible? How the hell I can remember that? And that was Ward Kimball's film. And Walt said, I was sitting next to Ward at the academy, and he was swearing because if that film would not win awards, Walt would never speak to him again. Luckily, the film won the best award ever for animation. But Ward knew better. Forget Walt, forget UPA, you know, just do what Walt is so damn good at doing. You know? So that's where we ended up.