The ending was that we knew we were - something happened. After 13 or 14 years, something happens. I think maybe you've just given everything you have and nothing works. Or whatever is there, it's just not good enough. And it was one of those things where you, like a boxer who can't lift his hands anymore, you know, because it's getting heavier and heavier. To a degree, I think that also happened to us, that no matter what, it wasn't that good anymore. It just wasn't good. So the only thing that happened that eventually we looked for another place to go where we can maybe start all over again, what we did. And that was Alvin and the Chipmunks. Now, how the hell? I mean, from that high to go to Alvin and the Chipmunks, what? But that's an income, you know? Now we have a studio and we have 24 to half an hour to do and maybe something will come out. But things just didn't happen. And although we had 240 Popeye's to do at the beginning, 240 Pop - each 3 minutes long. So some portion of what went to New Zealand, people who were working in New Zealand, and I went to London. I had to do maybe a half-a-dozen films with the crew in Hollis Batchelor's studio. So that was in two places, Australia and London and then at home here. And after we finished that, that was sort of a - after that, nothing happened, so we closed the, closed the shop. They still owe me some money. But then let's not forget that some people are not with us anymore. That's a biggie. But it just - there were so many bad films were made at that time. So many bad, short cartoons were made at other studios that they didn't trust you anymore and so it just disappeared. It disappeared, you know? And we all found another job, or whatever, to do. But it just disappeared into, into a nothing. And we were lucky, like I mentioned earlier, that somebody wanted this building and so they bought the building. The rent, what we owed, they took over and then we all walked out and - friends. Of course you stay friends but that was it, yeah.
