No animator finishes a film. There's no animator's film. Each has three or four animators on a film. So the only person who can really claim some credit is the director, who's responsible for putting the whole thing together. But… but when you're dealing with animation from an industry, not today, like yesterday, that would be like MGM [Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer], Warner Brothers, Universal, you know, and stuff like that. Each film has at least four or five animators working on it. So there's no such a thing as a film coming out from the industry, with one animator. No. One director on a short, yes. And he gets all the credit, generally. But the people who do the actual animation, drawing, and all this and all that, their name is mentioned, like, animated by... and then you have all the names. But in the industry, the animator… the director is the only one who gets credit on a film. Whether that's right or wrong but that's the way it works, you know?

When we had UPA [United Productions of America] … we had UPA and we had one film... even there you had two or three people animating. Because John Hubley was a big name because he was really responsible for some film before he moved to New York. The other person was Bobo Canon, who was totally responsible. But Bobo was responsible for at least 13 films. Hubley was responsible maybe for two before he moved to New York. But… but there you really deal with two huge talents, Bobo Canon and John Hubley. Oh, and then there's this guy from Warner's... sure he just put a picture of him on the sidewalk a… a year ago... I mentioned his name a couple of times, I can't recall him now.

[Q] Chuck Jones?

Chuck Jones, yeah. So he's big, Hubley is big, Bobo Canon is big. But the only person people really know is Chuck Jones. Because he was out more times and he was after it, whereas others were not after it, you know? It just that didn't come to them. And that's what I'm trying to do now, to get Bobo Canon… and things are in motion, you know, that he should get a book. Because when you talk about UPA and all that stuff, 85% is Bobo Canon, you see? And it would be nice to have that happen.