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61. Saving Haaretz from closure | 12 | 02:26 | |
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I wrote a very polite letter to Gustav [Gershom] Schocken: 'Thank you for everything you did for me, but our points of view are too far apart, etc.' And he got angry. He didn't speak a word to me, I think, for decades. He wouldn't greet me. Even before that he had a problem saying hello or goodbye, but the issue was resolved and he just never said hello again, almost to the end. Perhaps I will start by saying how he did say hello to me. It was decades later. Schocken had divorced his wife. His wife had a very strong personality and was from an important family. Her mother was an important publisher, Parsitz, the Parsitz family, and they had a son named Amos. He had separated from her, but she still owned half the shares of Haaretz. One day, someone brought me a story that there was something happening between them and I was going to publish it. A scoop for HaOlam HaZeh. Then suddenly I got a phone call Gershom Schocken asking to meet with me. We met here at the Hilton and he said – there was no small talk with Schocken same as with Rabin, no small talk – he said: 'You want Haaretz to keep going?' I said: 'Yes, I think it's an important newspaper'. 'If you publish it, Haaretz will close, because she, my ex-wife, who has a half of the shares, will simply close Haaretz. If that's what you want go ahead. If not, I'm asking you not to publish it'. Of course, I didn't publish it, and from then on we have again exchanged greetings, but no more than that.
כתבתי מכתב מאוד אדיב לגוסטב שוקן: 'תודה רבה על כל מה שעשית בשבילי" וכו' וכו', 'אבל דעותינו יותר מדי רחוקות זו מזו בשביל' וכו’. והוא התרגז. לא דיבר אתי מילה, אני חושב, עשרות שנים. לא ענה לי 'שלום'. גם קודם הייתה לו בעיה בלהגיד 'שלום', אבל הבעיה נפתרה שהוא פשוט לא אמר לי יותר שלום, כמעט עד הסוף. אולי אני אקדים איך כן הוא אמר לי שלום. זה היה כבר כעבור עשרות שנים. שוקן התגרש מאשתו. אשתו הייתה אישיות חזקה ממשפחה מאוד חשובה. אמא שלה הייתה מו"לית חשובה, פרסיץ, משפחת פרסיץ, והיה (להם) ילד בשם עמוס .והוא נפרד ממנה, אבל חצי המניות של "הארץ" היו בידיה. ויום אחד מישהו הביא לי סיפור שקורה ביניהם משהו וכו' וכו’. ועמדתי לפרסם את זה. סקופ של "העולם הזה”. אז יום אחד פתאום אני מקבל טלפון מגרשום שוקן, והוא מבקש להיפגש אתי. נפגשנו פה בהילטון, ואז הוא אומר - לא היה סמול טוק אצל שוקן, כמו אצל רבין, אין סמול טוק - הוא אומר: "אתה רוצה ש'הארץ' יתקיים?" אמרתי: "כן, אני חושב שזה עיתון חשוב”. "אם אתה תפרסם את זה, 'הארץ' ייסגר, מפני שהיא, גרושתי, שיש לה חצי המניות, פשוט תסגור את ‘הארץ'. אז אם אתה רוצה – בבקשה. אם לא, אני מבקש ממך לא לפרסם.״ אז כמובן לא פרסמתי ומאז שוב אמרנו “שלום", אבל לא יותר מזה.
Uri Avnery (1923-2018) was an Israeli writer, journalist and founder of the Gush Shalom peace movement. As a teenager, he joined the Zionist paramilitary group, Irgun. Later, Avnery was elected to the Knesset from 1965 to 1974 and from 1979 to 1981. He was also the editor-in-chief of the weekly news magazine, 'HaOlam HaZeh' from 1950 until it closed in 1993. He famously crossed the lines during the Siege of Beirut to meet Yasser Arafat on 3 July 1982, the first time the Palestinian leader ever met with an Israeli. Avnery was the author of several books about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including '1948: A Soldier's Tale, the Bloody Road to Jerusalem' (2008); 'Israel's Vicious Circle' (2008); and 'My Friend, the Enemy' (1986).
Title: Saving "Haaretz" from closure
Listeners: Anat Saragusti
Anat Saragusti is a film-maker, book editor and a freelance journalist and writer. She was a senior staff member at the weekly news magazine Ha'olam Hazeh, where she was prominent in covering major events in Israel. Uri Avnery was the publisher and chief editor of the Magazine, and Saragusti worked closely with him for over a decade. With the closing of Ha'olam Hazeh in 1993, Anat Saragusti joined the group that established TV Channel 2 News Company and was appointed as its reporter in Gaza. She later became the chief editor of the evening news bulletin. Concurrently, she studied law and gained a Master's degree from Tel Aviv University.
Tags: Parsitz, Gustav Gershom Schocken, Amos Schocken
Duration: 2 minutes, 26 seconds
Date story recorded: October 2015
Date story went live: 10 March 2017